I have lost my enthusiasm

[Badgerboy]

Take a step back everyone... just look at this place lately

Does it all really matter.... any of it.....REALLY?

[Pulpfiction1]

Rob, just want to say thanks for all your efforts up to this point, it's well appreciated my friend !
And I can totally understand where you're coming from.

For me, the feeling of community I used to get (even online!) at hang-music.com/forum hasn't really transfered over that strongly, and it's diminishing.
But I guess, as the online community grows and grows, this is only logical, as the circle gets bigger and bigger, so do the distances and differences.
I'll just stick to my smaller circles of people in this community I know personally, and a select few I have gotten to know and grown to respect online .
My advice to the people that are getting upset with the bickering and beef on the forum is, like Badgerboy aka Kelly said;

Take a step back.. And take a deep breath. Try not to get too emotionally involved. Why waste your energy?
Some people just like to talk, and don't listen. Or can't accept different viewpoints for what they are - different - and not necessarily better or worse.
You can take it very serious, read every word and let it frustrate you, or you can scan through it and have a laugh instead .

This last bit doesn't apply for admin/mods ofcourse, as you lot have to read it all . My hats off to you!

...HangOut UK soon!!

[Imagineye]

Hi all,

Just a quick note to say that i am now getting very tired and bored of this tit for tat Bull SH%T that is going on within these pages, even to the point that i have felt embarressed to be an admin of these pages when reading through some posts. This community used to be one of support and friendship NO matter what your standing point was. I now think people forget that we all come to these creations with different standing points, and that there are real people behind the posts.

If being an admin means i have to read through it all and have my heart blackened with all this negativity then maybe im not suited anymore

So I will leave these pages for you all and i shall just keep the music live and leave the endless discussions to others.

Panart are panart, pantheon are pantheon, bellart is bellart and i am Rob, all of which are happy in themselves, and i am happy to leave it that way.

Rx

Wake up, people. I think Rob is not talking about somebody coming from the side. he is talking about...YOU! the regular members of the forum! at least that's the way i see it, i could be wrong though.

This is true. And I believe that we all instigate each other. It is said that we cannot come to a compromise and have a place where we can talk about all of the joy and anticipation these instruments give to us, AND all of the technical aspects of it as well, without diminishing the importance of either.

Too much conflict and not enough camaraderie. I know some have considered this hippy-dippy lovey dovey attitude, but, hey, isn't that a huge part of it as well? Should we be condemned or considered a bit ignorant because we lean towards these feelings? Also, if we concentrate on the physics of the instrument, should we be pigeonholed?

This should be, and IS a community, a diverse one at that. It's high time we all appreciate ALL aspects of it.

To be honest, some facts have come to light to me as of late that completely change my perspective on all of the debate about FIH tunings vs A440, vs in tune vs out of tune. There is so much to say that isn't and shouldn't have to be said. There is so much more to these stories than even the 'experts' know. Trust me, these conversations and exchanges on the rationality of adjusting your ear or the instrument are for the most part, irrelevant to most, and only apply to whomever may be holding an FIH and whether they accept it for what it is described to be. Period. Both camps.... leave it be. Because trust me, despite the fact everyone may have it right in some ways, everyone has it wrong in some key ways..... but only because not all of the data is present.

But, that added data is unimportant.

At this point, it's my feeling that if you, as an individual cannot relate to a certain level of camaraderie and unified friendship with a common love or passion, being these instruments, and be able to appreciate all facets of what they bring to our lives in a positive manner, then perhaps this forum is not the place for you. If you feel it necessary to instigate, or propel irrational conversations based on your un yielding perspective, then perhaps this isn't the place for you. By the same token, if you feel liberated enough to succumb to irrational logic and perpetuate conversations with incendiary or inappropriate remarks or posts, maybe this isn't the place for you either. This is for you as individuals, to decide.

In short time, we will have undeniable voices to help us see and hear things a bit more clearly. This chaotic time is only a transition.

All will be well, if you let it.

[kiwidreamer]

kiwidreamer, welldone, replacing your original post with a smilie...

.

I have a really bad habit of posting before I think it's not till I go back later and reread what I've written that I realise what a load of twaddle it is !
Thank heavens for the edit button I say !

[Imagineye]

edit: By the way Danny, to call Ellie Mannette I quote "original steel pan's creator" is a disgrace and a shame to all the other "original creators"...

Werner - I believe he is the "Father" of Steel Pan. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellie_Mannette

I know there were others earlier. I believe that prior to Ellie, Steel Pans were being formed similar to a Handpan, convex rather than concave. I also believe that Ellie was the first to produce it in it's current form, concave.

I find it a pretty high on mighty statement from you for my "quoted" statement to be such a disgrace to the original creators.

When was the last time you spoke with anyone from Ellie's studio personally, yourself? Me? Last night.

If ( ) I should be lucky enough within my lifetime to gain any knowledge whatsoever, possibly even an apprenticeship, I would dare not say anything so disgraceful to him, or any of the other creators.

Yes Werner, the "stuff" as you say, hits the fan, I can imagine why you wouldn't want to be around..........

So far, Ellie has not been disgraced by my words, and I would imagine none of the other creators would be so indignant, after personal conversation.

But Werner, I appreciate you speaking for them.

[Imagineye]

Quote of Elliot Mannette: "Looking back more than half a century during my humble beginnings in this unique art form, no one during that period could have envisioned the rapid growth of this instrument. Through the years as I developed my skills, my entire mindset was sharing my knowledge with others for the betterment of this instrument."

What an interesting concept!..............

[Imagineye]

Danny, read the article properly, for god's sake.

"also known as "father of the modern steel pan instrument"." Not father of the steelpan.
You may want to find out who wrote most of the article in the first place, since the americans and Ellies team themselves were not interested in doing a proper wikipedia article on Ellie in the first place...

When was the last time you spoke with anyone from Ellie's studio personally, yourself? Me? Last night.

And now what? Bow low? I am in regular touch - and have been all along recently - with some of the very first students of Ellie at WVU. Like it or leave it. Maybe you feel the strong need to show your muscles, eh? I don't really, never have been like that.
I understand that you feel very big now that you can claim to have "Ellie on your side".

Yes Werner, the "stuff" as you say, hits the fan, I can imagine why you wouldn't want to be around..........

Unfortunately, you do not have a clue. Not the slightest. But that is for you guys to find out.

You'll be starting an apprenticeship in Morgantown? Congratulations on finally doing what I kept telling you since years, take a hammer and get to work...

we.

Semantics Werner.

You took a shot at me, I fired back, Just as you would. Am I flexing my muscle? (Well, I am in my facebook profile pic, LOL!) No. Am I enthusiastic about my new venture, and what may come. yes. Do I still value your input? Yes. As I mentioned in earlier posts, I would love to share some things with you in the coming months, as I believe you could teach me as well.

And not claiming to have "Ellie" in any way shape or form, merely stating that he is involved with our project and has encouraged us greatly.

Is this not something to be proud of?

And if you maintain such good contact with former students, I can't imagine they would hold as much contempt as you do for these Handpans. So far, the students (more than students, really) I have spoken with have nothing but encouraging words and suggestions for us... or any makers for that matter.

I merely align myself with that feeling. And hopefully in the future, I can be considered a good student, in Osage.

And as to flexing once more..... seems you flexed first.

[Marnamber]

I empathise with you Rob... i'm sorry to read this.

Can imagine yourself there sitting a bunch of hours reading the forum and saying "What the hell? I wasted time reading along all this crap and I could have made creppes, walked the dog, be with my kids"... whatever.

I'm deeply sorry.

There's been a bunch of negativity splashed around the forum. i've certainly feeded that attitude once, so i apologised. Those sayings where not more than my own rumble.

Thank you for all you've done around. I hope you can find your enthusiasm here again, in the place where you lost it.

And guys... don't start a "discussion" here (at least at this post, it's disrespectful). No one has attacked anyone, but that is exactly the way to start endless posts like the ones Rob (and many) is sicked to read.